The litany of defeatist rhetoric....?

Here's a pretty interesting summary of the progression of democrat political positions on the war in Iraq:


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1. The mission to topple Saddam will fail,100,000 American soldiers will die and the Iraqi's will fight tooth and nail.


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...after that Mission was Accomplished ....


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2. The war in Iraq is a failure because we haven't captured Saddam Hessein.


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...after we captured Saddam....


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3. The war in Iraq is a failure because we haven't captured Zarqawi.


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...after we captured Zarqawi....


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4. You can't have a political solution (elections) without a military solution. Due to a lack of security, the elections won't happen.


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....after the elections happened....


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5. You can't have a military solution without a political solution.


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Are they rooting for failure or just stupid?

The litany of defeatist rhetoric....?
They just can't stand to see Rps get any credit what so ever, even if it costs the country BIGTIME.
Reply:They hate America and themselves. They would like nothing better than to see us lose the war.
Reply:Point out to me who said "100,000 american troops will die in the invasion" - or are you just making that up? Are they not fighting tooth and nail STILL?





Point out to me who said "The war in Iraq is a failure because we haven't captured Saddam Hessein" - or are you just making that up?





Point out to me who said "The war in Iraq is a failure because we haven't captured Zarqawi" - or are you just making that up?





Point out to me who said (in essence) that You can't have a military solution without a political solution - was it GENERAL PETRAEUS by any chance????





#1 News Flash - making stuff up DOES NOT MAKE IT TRUE





#2 News Flash - making stuff up MAKES YOU A LIAR














No military solution to Iraq, warns US commander





http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/wo...
Reply:It really must be nice to live in a world of total fantasy.





I don't know what "liberals" you're getting those "positions" from but personally, I have been 1000% against the Iraqi occupation from Day One.





And still am.





That's pretty much a static position.





YOUR side, however, has changed the "reasons" for invading a sovereign country some 27 times.





27 times.








HAR!


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From the mouth of your Fuhrer:





The Ever Changing Definition of ‘Mission’ In Iraq


In June 2005, ThinkProgress noted the Bush was constantly revising the definition of our “mission” in Iraq.





Reporting on his escalation strategy this week, President Bush claimed “satisfactory” progress in many areas of the “new mission” in Iraq. Bush has changed the definition of our “mission” in Iraq so many times, he has made it impossible for the American public, U.S. forces, and the Iraqi population to have any confidence that the mission will be ever completed.





THE PRE-WAR MISSION WAS TO RID IRAQ OF WMD





Bush: “Our mission is clear in Iraq. Should we have to go in, our mission is very clear: disarmament.” [3/6/03]





AFTER THE WAR BEGAN, THE MISSION EXPANDED





Bush: “Our cause is just, the security of the nations we serve and the peace of the world. And our mission is clear, to disarm Iraq of weapons of mass destruction, to end Saddam Hussein’s support for terrorism, and to free the Iraqi people.” [3/22/03]





Bush: “Our forces have been given a clear mission: to end a regime that threatened its neighbors and the world with weapons of mass destruction and to free a people that had suffered far too long.” [4/14/03]





THEN THE MISSION WAS COMPLETE





Bush: “On Thursday, I visited the USS Abraham Lincoln, now headed home after the longest carrier deployment in recent history. I delivered good news to the men and women who fought in the cause of freedom: Their mission is complete, and major combat operations in Iraq have ended.” [5/3/03]





BUT THEN IT CONTINUED AGAIN





Bush: “The United States and our allies will complete our mission in Iraq.” [7/30/03]





THEN THE MISSION WAS TO DEVELOP A FREE IRAQ





Bush: “That has been our mission all along, to develop the conditions such that a free Iraq will emerge, run by the Iraqi citizens.” [11/4/03]





Bush: “We will see that Iraq is free and self-governing and democratic. We will accomplish our mission.” [5/4/04]





AND TO TRAIN THE IRAQI TROOPS





Bush: “And our mission is clear there, as well, and that is to train the Iraqis so they can do the fighting; make sure they can stand up to defend their freedoms, which they want to do.” [6/2/05]





Bush: “We’re making progress toward the goal, which is, on the one hand, a political process moving forward in Iraq, and on the other hand, the Iraqis capable of defending themselves. And we will — we will complete this mission for the sake of world peace.” [6/20/05]





THEN IT SHIFTED TO ADVANCING DEMOCRACY





Bush: “We will stay as long as necessary to complete the mission. … Advancing the ideal of democracy and self-government is the mission that created our nation — and now it is the calling of a new generation of Americans.” [11/30/05]





AND PROTECTING AMERICA FROM TERRORISTS





Bush: “In the coming days, there will be considerable reflection on the removal of Saddam Hussein from power and our remaining mission in Iraq…By helping the Iraqi people build a free and representative government, we will deny the terrorists a safe haven to plan attacks against America.” [3/11/06]





Bush: “We will finish the mission. By defeating the terrorists in Iraq, we will bring greater security to our own country. And when victory is achieved, our troops will return home with the honor they have earned.” [3/18/06]





THEN THE MISSION WAS PROVIDING SECURITY FOR THE IRAQI POPULATION





Bush: “In fact, we have a new strategy with a new mission: helping secure the population, especially in Baghdad. Our plan puts Iraqis in the lead.” [1/13/07]





Bush: “[I]t’s the combination of providing security in neighborhoods through these joint security stations, and training that is the current mission we’re going through, with a heavy emphasis on security in Baghdad.” [4/10/07]





AND NOW?





Bush: “It’s a new mission. And David Petraeus is in Iraq carrying it out. Its goal is to help the Iraqis make progress toward reconciliation — to build a free nation that respects the rights of its people, upholds the rule of law, and is an ally against the extremists in this war.” [6/28/07]
Reply:Here we go again. I must show you the quote from your idol which clearly shows what you are saying and doing:





"Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."


-- Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials
Reply:I think "Stay the course" for five frikkin' years would be "rooting for failure."





I mean - since you asked.